epic test fail I'll check that tomorrow

As a side effect this will make toilets way worse for hiding things. Right now, hiding something in a cistern or bowl is low risk, because the only way you'll find something in there is if someone put something there, same as with potted plants. The vast majority of the time, no one will check a toilet for something hidden.

With this change, someone is guaranteed to find something. And that something could be insuls or interdyne cigs, things that can make it worth spending time to check. I wouldn't be surprised if every toilet on the map gets checked at some point during the round.

Personally, I'd prefer if you don't change every toilet to a lootbox. I don't mind that this prototype exists, but let the mappers decide where to put it. If you intend it as assistance to prisoners, change the maps to use this toilet inside prisons instead, and keep the normal toilets elsewhere unchanged.

Golden toilet change seems fine.

The vast majority of the time, no one will check a toilet for something hidden.

It can be seen as metagaming to check the toilets for no reason. People often complain about rules a lot - even if it is or isn't against the rules - so this gives people a bit of an excuse to go mucking about toilets. I'd like to reduce the reliance on rules as much as possible as it generally fosters a really annoying environment where people tattle tale on each other, wasting everyone's time (including the admin tending to them).

I'm not a huge fan of this concept if only because I think encouraging crew to rummage through the public bathroom toilets for loot at the start of every shift (even if the tables were changed to just fun/funny loot) is slightly too goofy in my eyes.

What might work is if only certain toilets spawn random loot (e.g toilets in the brig, or toilets in abandoned maints bathrooms), since those are more the kinds of places where it makes sense for someone to have hidden something illegal. I'd probably also adjust the loot table to better fit with things you might expect someone to stash in a toilet cistern (which probably means, like... drugs, weed, bottles of alcohol, and very rarely something like a shiv or a basic tool). It's weird in terms of verisimilitude for toilets to just have construction tools, functional batteries, medicine, or weapons in them half the time; the PR draws a comparison to maints lockers, but a locker is specifically meant to store useful equipment, and hiding something in a toilet is more an emergency "I need to make sure nobody else finds this" option.

Even then, I'd probably still be a bit wary of this change because I feel like this encourages security to inspect the brig's toilets at the start of every shift in order to make sure they don't have anything dangerous inside. On the other hand, I think some maps already do have some hidden weapons/tools hidden in the brig so it could be argued there's precedent for it.

I'm not a huge fan of this concept if only because I think encouraging crew to rummage through the public bathroom toilets for loot at the start of every shift

Not sure how it's any different from crew ransacking the maints closets like animals.

Even then, I'd probably still be a bit wary of this change because I feel like this encourages security to inspect the brig's toilets at the start of every shift in order to make sure they don't have anything dangerous inside.

Hardcore:tm: wardens already prep the brig if they really care about not having fun so it's not like this is any different.

Not sure how it's any different from crew ransacking the maints closets like animals.

The distinction is mostly that plundering a locker is generally more dignified and less messy than plundering a toilet.

What might work is if only certain toilets spawn random loot (e.g toilets in the brig, or toilets in abandoned maints bathrooms), since those are more the kinds of places where it makes sense for someone to have hidden something illegal.

The pr now only adds the entity with the loot, and it will be up to map maintainer's discretion to place the loot-holding versions. I agree that the public bathrooms are probably fine without this. Also I'm gonna remove the changelog since this isn't really player-facing anymore

I'd probably also adjust the loot table to better fit with things you might expect someone to stash in a toilet cistern (which probably means, like... drugs, weed, bottles of alcohol, and very rarely something like a shiv or a basic tool). It's weird in terms of verisimilitude for toilets to just have construction tools, functional batteries, medicine, or weapons in them half the time...

This is fair, but I'm sacrificing realism for gameplay here since stashed drinks and drugs are more or less useless. Besides, it makes sense that former inmated would stash tools, since a warden would probably confiscate even basic tools from a prisoner.

This is fair, but I'm sacrificing realism for gameplay here since stashed drinks and drugs are more or less useless. Besides, it makes sense that former inmated would stash tools, since a warden would probably confiscate even basic tools from a prisoner.

I feel like toilet loot should more be a fun/immersive thing rather than being "useful" per se. As far as tools go I could probably see stuff like a screwdriver, wrench, or wirecutters (and maybe gloves too) but probably not more complex/bulky tools like batteries, welding gear, or gas masks.

The distinction is mostly that plundering a locker is generally more dignified and less messy than plundering a toilet.

If this is what your argument boils down to then I struggle to see this as a pressing concern.

The distinction is mostly that plundering a locker is generally more dignified and less messy than plundering a toilet.

If this is what your argument boils down to then I struggle to see this as a pressing concern.

It's mostly just a concern of tone more than anything else. "Ransack public toilets for gamer loot" isn't really something I want to see become a staple of rounds.

I'm fine with the browntiders raiding toilets for loot. If I see someone digging in a toilet I can rightly judge them for it. It's something very obviously "wrong" and "gross" for a person to do that can be a springboard for RP.